Technique Tuesday: Eli Knight - Chokes from turtle position
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Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke·McDojoLife
Today my homie Eli Knight will be covering a few chokes from the turtle position. Enjoy :) If you enjoyed these techniq…
Перевод: Shoulder Hold / Head-and-Arm Choke — Turtle Collapse
Дистанция и классификация
Категория
Удар и защитаЗамкиБлижний бойБой против нескольких
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Обзор
A kata gatame variation against turtle where the attacker collapses the defender sideways to finish the choke. After threading under the near arm and feeding it across the neck, the attacker drives shoulder and chest pressure, collapsing the turtle base to one side and finishing the choke from top side control.
История и происхождение
Rooted in Judo newaza kata gatame, adapted in BJJ and Sambo as a high-percentage attack against turtle defenders.
Страна происхождения· показано в случайном порядке
- БразилияБразильское джиу-джитсу, Сабмишн-грэпплинг, ММА
- Япония肩固め（亀からの崩し）(Kata Gatame — Standard Turtle Collapse)Бразильское джиу-джитсу, Дзюдо, Сабмишн-грэпплинг
- РоссияСамбо
- СШАСабмишн-грэпплинг, ММА
Эффективность
Collapsing the turtle neutralises the opponent's base and creates dominant finishing angles; effective because the collapsed position naturally drives the arm across the neck. [1]
Родословная
The standard turtle collapse to arm triangle uses weight and hip pressure to flatten the turtled opponent before securing the choke. [1]
Соревновательные результаты
Turtle collapse arm triangles are used in BJJ competition as a way to finish against turtled opponents. [1]
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Биомеханический механизм
Action — Shoulder and chest compression with defender’s arm as wedge
Joints Affected — Neck (carotid arteries); shoulder (secondary)
Forces — Shoulder wedge, chest weight, lateral squeeze after collapse
Позиция и вход
From top turtle, thread under the near arm, feed it across the face/neck, and drop head/shoulder next to it. Collapse the turtle base sideways by driving hips and chest, settling into side control while keeping choke locked.
Варианты
Collapse directly into side control
Collapse into mount finish
Collapse into north-south choke
Видео
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Оценки
Риск травмы для человека, к которому применяется техника
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Экстремальный9/10
Collapsing the turtle removes base and quickly exposes the choke.
Уровень мастерства, необходимый для надёжного выполнения техники
Продвинутый
Разрешена ли техника по основным соревновательным правилам
IBJJFIJFFIAS Sport SamboUnified MMAADCC
Заметки по тренировке
✓Maintain shoulder depth while collapsing. Control far hip with knee or hand to prevent defender from rolling away. Drive weight diagonally to flatten defender before squeezing.
Типичные ошибки
!Collapsing before securing head-and-arm lock
!Not blocking hip, allowing spin escape
!Squeezing too early without angle
Связанные техники
Контрприёмы
Tuck Chin — protect the neck by lowering the chin to prevent the choke from sinkingTwo-on-One Grip Fight — use both hands to strip the choking grip before it locksTurn Into — rotate toward the choking arm to relieve carotid pressurePosture Up — straighten the spine and create distance to break the choking angle
Цепочка подготовки
1Achieve Controlling Position — secure the position from which the choke is applied
2Isolate the Neck — clear defending hands and establish access to the throat
3Set the Grip — lock the choking configuration (arm, lapel, or leg placement)
4Apply Pressure — squeeze to compress the carotid arteries for the finish
Источники и ссылки
Основной источник
Kodokan Judo — Official Katame-waza Classification (肩固め Kata-gatame)
1КнигаKodokan Judo — Official Katame-waza Classification (肩固め Kata-gatame)
Japanese terminology sourced from Kodokan Judo — Official Katame-waza Classification (肩固め Kata-gatame)
Official Kodokan ground technique classification system
3ДругоеJapanese Martial Arts Standard Terminology (武道用語)
Established Japanese martial arts naming convention — native Japanese term (和語/漢語)
4ЦитатаKodokan Judo — Official Katame-waza Classification (肩固め Kata-gatame)
Japanese terminology sourced from Kodokan Judo — Official Katame-waza Classification (肩固め Kata-gatame)
Сообщество
Атлетизм
Requires
hip flexibility, long legs relative to torso
Favours
longer limbs for easier figure-four lock around head and arm
Key muscles
hip adductors, hamstrings, quadriceps
Заметки
One of the most reliable methods to attack turtle, as it combines positional breakdown with a direct submission threat.
Часто задаваемые вопросы
How do I set up the arm triangle choke from turtle position?
According to Eli Knight, position your chest toward the base of your opponent's shoulder so their head goes into your diaphragm, then cup your second hand and drive forward while cutting back in with your arms to create pressure, similar to a ten-finger guillotine.
What do I do if my opponent blocks my arm when I'm attempting the choke?
Eli Knight recommends cupping to the back of their bicep, pulling back to drag and open the space, then shooting your arm through under their armpit with the back of your hand against their lat and shoulder to transition into the arm triangle or anaconda choke.
How deep should my arm go for the anaconda variation from turtle?
Eli Knight emphasizes shooting your arm in nice and deep by the neck, then driving your elbow down to the floor, placing your hand in the bend of your elbow, and squeezing while driving your hips forward to finish the choke.
What's an alternative hand position if I can't get my arm deep enough for the anaconda?
Eli Knight suggests going palm to palm instead, keeping your forearm against the opponent's tricep and wedging their arm and neck together tightly as an alternative finish.
Как работает Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
A kata gatame variation against turtle where the attacker collapses the defender sideways to finish the choke. After threading under the near arm and feeding it across the neck, the attacker drives shoulder and chest pressure, collapsing the turtle base to one side and finishing the choke from top side control.
Откуда происходит Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Rooted in Judo newaza kata gatame, adapted in BJJ and Sambo as a high-percentage attack against turtle defenders.
Насколько опасен Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Danger: 9/10 | Collapsing the turtle removes base and quickly exposes the choke.
Как подготовить Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Стандартная цепочка подготовки: Achieve Controlling Position → Isolate the Neck → Set the Grip → Apply Pressure.
Как защититься от Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Стандартные контрприёмы: Tuck Chin — protect the neck by lowering the chin to prevent the choke from sinking / Two-on-One Grip Fight — use both hands to strip the choking grip before it locks / Turn Into — rotate toward the choking arm to relieve carotid pressure / Posture Up — straighten the spine and create distance to break the choking angle.
Какие есть варианты Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Распространённые варианты: Collapse directly into side control; Collapse into mount finish; Collapse into north-south choke.
Насколько эффективен Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke на соревнованиях?
Turtle collapse arm triangles are used in BJJ competition as a way to finish against turtled opponents.
Какие типичные ошибки при выполнении Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Основные ошибки, на которые стоит обратить внимание: Collapsing before securing head-and-arm lock / Not blocking hip, allowing spin escape / Squeezing too early without angle.
Какие ещё названия есть у Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke?
Standard Turtle Collapse Arm Triangle Choke также известен как Kata Gatame — Standard Turtle Collapse, Standard Turtle Arm Triangle, Kata Gatame Turtle Collapse, Turtle Breakdown Arm Triangle.