Jiu Jitsu vs Wrestling - Understanding Turtle Position by Gordon Ryan
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亀からのテクニカルスタンドアップ(Kame kara no Tekunikaru Sutando Appu)
HybridTranslation: technical standup from turtle
The Technical Standup From Turtle subfamily covers the escape where the turtled fighter performs a technical standup — posting one hand behind, stepping up with one leg, and rising to a standing position while maintaining a defensive frame against the opponent. [1] The technical standup from turtle is adapted from the standard technical standup but begins from the hands-and-knees turtle position rather than from sitting. [1],[2] This standup is important in MMA where returning to the feet is often the primary defensive objective from turtle. [2],[3]
Technical standup from turtle uses the technical standup method to return to standing from the turtle position. [1]
Combines the BJJ technical standup with turtle escape methodology. [1]
Used in MMA and BJJ competition. [1]
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Risk of injury to the person this technique is applied to
Turtle escapes involve rolling and granby movements; neck strain risk
Skill level needed to execute this technique reliably
Whether this technique is allowed under major competition rule sets
Mastering Jujitsu (Renzo Gracie & John Danaher, 2003)
Alias sources — [1] Jiu-Jitsu University (Saulo Ribeiro, 2008) [2] Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (Gracie & Gracie, 2001)
Effectiveness sources — [1] Mastering Jujitsu (Gracie & Danaher, 2003)
Mixed Japanese-Western terminology — combines traditional Japanese terms with katakana loanwords
Alias sources — [1] Jiu-Jitsu University (Saulo Ribeiro, 2008) [2] Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (Gracie & Gracie, 2001)
Effectiveness sources — [1] Mastering Jujitsu (Gracie & Danaher, 2003)
hip mobility, explosive bridge/shrimp power, timing
flexible hips and strong glutes for escape movements
glutes, hip flexors, core, triceps (framing)
In a closed turtle, your opponent will fall down every time. If they open their turtle in any way, you can get in and begin inserting hooks or hands. Gordon Ryan emphasizes playing the dilemma of closed versus open turtle to control your options for attack.
When working with someone significantly larger, you need to understand the mechanics of how to properly knock them over rather than relying on strength alone. The key is recognizing when your opponent opens their turtle position, which creates the opportunity to execute your escape.
The more you open your turtle in any way, the easier it is for your opponent to insert their hands and sometimes even their legs to establish hooks and control. Minimizing how much you open your turtle position is critical to defense.
The Technical Standup From Turtle subfamily covers the escape where the turtled fighter performs a technical standup — posting one hand behind, stepping up with one leg, and rising to a standing position while maintaining a defensive frame against the opponent. The technical standup from turtle is adapted from the standard technical standup but begins from the hands-and-knees turtle position rather than from sitting.
The technical standup from turtle combines the wrestling turtle escape with the BJJ/MMA technical standup, creating an efficient pathway from the turtle to standing. It became particularly important in MMA where the turtle is vulnerable to ground-and-pound and back takes.
Unified MMA: legal — Legal defensive/transitional technique; IBJJF: legal — Legal; IJF: legal — Legal; ADCC: legal — Legal; UWW: legal — Legal, escape scores 1 point (freestyle), reversal scores 1 point; FIAS Sport Sambo: legal — Legal; NCAA Folkstyle: legal — Legal, escape scores 1 point, reversal scores 2 points
Danger rating 3/10. Moderate — turtle escapes involve rolling and granby movements; neck strain risk
The standard setup chain: Create Space → Disrupt Control → Execute Escape → Recover Position.
Standard counters include: Maintain Pressure — keep consistent weight distribution to limit escape space / Anticipate Direction — read escape attempt direction and block early / Transition — flow to a new position when the current one is threatened.
Common variants: Standard escape (primary escape mechanic using frames, bridges, or hip mov…); Combination escape (chaining two escape directions or methods); Counter escape (using the opponent's attack attempt to create the escape …); Competition variation (modified for rule-set optimisation).
Used in MMA and BJJ competition.
Top errors to watch for: Not posting the hand — the post provides stability during the rise / Standing with the feet too close together — the forward foot must be sufficiently ahead for balance / Rising with the back curved — maintain an upright posture as you stand / Not creating distance immediately after standing — the opponent will re-clinch or re-shoot.
The Technical Standup From Turtle is also known as Kame kara no Tekunikaru Sutando Appu, Turtle Tech Standup, Technical Stand From All Fours.